Cultural Engagement with Ed Stetzer

Ed Stetzer, Wheaton College

I recently talked with Ed Stetzer for “The Stone Chapel Podcasts.”

To hear the podcast (20 minutes) click here.

Ed Stetzer is skilled in cultural engagement.  He is simply wired that way.  He is a professor and dean at Wheaton College where he also serves as Executive Director of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center.

He has planted, revitalized, and pastored churches, trained pastors and church planters on six continents. 

He has earned two master’s degrees and two doctorates.  He has written hundreds of articles and a dozen books.

Dr. Stetzer is Regional Director for Lausanne North America and is frequently cited in, interviewed by, and writes for news outlets such as USAToday and CNN. 

Ed joins David Capes on The Stone Chapel Podcast to talk about his concerns for the future of the evangelical church and its engagement with western culture. 

In fact, he is finishing up a book about that for InterVarsity Press.  It will be titled, The Future of Evangelicalism. Look for it next year at the Lanier Theological Library. 

America is experiencing a cultural convulsion unlike any we have seen since the 1960s.  And to all observers, America evangelicalism is uniquely influential around the world.

 Rather than thriving in the midst of this time, American evangelicals are themselves convulsing and sorting themselves along ideological lines. 

Stetzer observes: Some have gone “woke.”  Some have gone “political.”  Some have gone full on “Trump.”  Twenty years ago were certainly kinder and gentler times.

Dr. Stetzer is a unique voice for American Christians and has some interesting insights about where America is going and how best to be part of bringing about at least some “Shalom”/Peace for now. 

In the academic year 2022-23 Ed Stetzer is on sabbatical from Wheaton College and will be the guest of the Lanier Foundation staying, along with his wife Donna, at Yarnton Manor. 

He will be teaching two classes for Wycliffe Hall and finishing up yet another book entitled for now, “The Mission to Western Culture.”

You can read more about Ed Stetzer on his webpage:  He is witty and winsome, and that’s a good thing!  You can follow him on Twitter @edstetzer.

Be sure to stick around for a nugget of wisdom from Ed at the end of the podcast.

One of Ed’s more recent books is Christians in the Age of Outrage. It’s worth a read if we want to be our best when the world is at its worst.

To hear the podcast click here.

For more of cultural engagement at the Lanier Theological Library, click here.

Atheism on Trial with Mark Lanier

Mark Lanier

Mark Lanier stops by to talk about his new bookAtheism on Trial: A Lawyer Examines the Case for Unbelief (IVP, 2022). 

Lanier is one of the top trial attorneys in the nation and he founded the Lanier Theological Library (along with his sweet wife, Becky).  Today, Lanier Foundation governs the mission and practices of this ministry.

Lanier has one foot in the world of law and another in the church. He seems to move seamlessly through both realms.

That’s why it made sense these days as unbelief is trendy and atheism is on the rise for Mark to put atheism, agnosticism, and unbelief on the scales of justice and see if they meet the burden of proof.  

This is book two in a trilogy of books that began with Mark’s first InterVarsity Press book, Christianity on Trial: A Lawyer Examines the Christian Faith(InterVarsity Press, 2015). 

That book has done extremely well since its publication.  Now Mark has submitted his manuscript for the third book in the trilogy.  You have to wait and see who and what is on trial next.

This is what I wrote about the book:

“In Atheism on Trial, Mark Lanier has produced a clear, concise, and worthy companion to Christianity on Trial. With the sensibilities and skills that come with being one of the most successful trial lawyers in US history, Lanier carefully dissects and deconstructs the arguments posed by advocates of atheism and its more congenial sister, agnosticism.  After closing arguments, the underpinnings of atheistic philosophy are found wanting, and a case for the Christian faith prevails.”

Mark will lecture on his book in the Stone Chapel during the weekend of Oct 7-9, 2022.  For more information about the lecture click here.  Be sure to register soon. We expect this lecture to fill up.

Stay tuned to the end of the podcast to hear Mark’s nugget of wisdom.

To see Mark’s 2015 lecture on “Christianity on Trial” click here.

For more books by Mark Lanier, click here.

For more information about attending Mark’s lecture or future lectures at the Library, click here. 

For a transcript of today’s podcast, click here.

To hear the podcast (20 min.) click here.

Tom Holland

Tom Holland is a wonderful historian and writer who you need to know. He cut his teeth on Greek and Roman culture, which of course intersects with the origins of Christianity.

Here is a link to a good article and series of podcast videos that give a bit more information about him. One of those videos features N. T. Wright.

Ethiopia and Early Christianity

A team of archaeologists from various schools have been digging around in northern Ethiopia (from 2011 to 2016).  They have discovered the oldest known Christian church in sub-Saharan Africa: it dates back to the 4th century AD.  It and other discoveries indicate that Christianity came to the Aksumite kingdom earlier than anyone had thought.

The ruins of the church were found 30 miles NE of Aksum, the empire’s capital. Aksum emerged as a trading center in the first century AD linking the Mediterranean, east Africa, Arabia, and points east in extensive commerce.  The church was built in the 4th century AD, roughly during the time when the Roman emperor Constantine I decided to turn a more tolerant eye to Christianity.

The kingdom began to decline in the 8th to 9th centuries AD and rebuffed attempts to convert the population to Islam.

What researchers have discovered is the earliest physical evidence for Christianity in Ethiopia.  Today nearly 50% of all Ethiopians belong to the Ethiopian Orthodox Tawahedo Church.

The church is built on the footprint of a Roman era basilica (60’x40′).  Archaeologists found other things as well: a pendant made of stone carved with a cross and an inscription in Ethiopic asking “Christ [to be] favorable to us.”

For years we knew of a tradition which recounted that Christianity came to Ethiopia in the 4th century AD.  Most scholars, however, considered it more myth than fact.  Now there is hard evidence that Christianity existed there in the 4th century AD.  And if that is when the building is built, how much earlier are the first converts made?  Perhaps in the 3rd century AD.

For years scholars have known that trade routes played a key role in moving Christians and their gospel through and beyond the Roman Empire.


Christianity is “Hypocritical, Wrong, and Ultimately Doomed”

I received an email from someone recently.  He relates an indictment against mainstream Christianity from a messianic Christian perspective.  I’ve changed the names and edited slightly our correspondence (to protect the innocent).

 Hello, Dr. Capes! My name is Cody Hall, and I am a student.  I looked at your information on the HBU website, and your interests and publications have prompted me to come to you for a few answers (via email).Messianic_symbols

I’m sure you have heard a lot about Messianic Judaism and are familiar with many of their arguments. But in case this particular Messianic congregation is unique, here are its beliefs:

 1) Christianity as we know it is based entirely on an incorrect interpretation of Paul’s writings.  Particularly, we incorrectly misread Acts 15 and Galatians.

 2)  Christianity is hypocritical, choosing to:

               A) affirm the Ten Commandments while rejecting other Mosaic law (such as Kosher laws, Sabbath, etc.)

               B) keeping pagan based holidays such as Christmas and Easter and rejecting Jewish feasts

               C) using religious language based in paganism, such as “Lord”, “God”, “sacred”, the Trinity, etc.

3) Translation errors: Christianity uses incorrect translations of scripture (especially the NT). These translations obscure the reverence of the Torah in the NT and the teachings of Paul. These translations are also “translations of translations” because the NT was originally written in Aramaic and later translated into Koine Greek.

4) Jews and Gentiles are now one in the olive tree. When you are grafted in, you also inherit the laws of Moses.

5) The “lawlessness” described in the NT are those who do not observe Torah. These are the people who will come before the Lord and be turned away in their “lawlessness”.

My parents have been members of this congregation for many years. Their congregation is called **********   and they have a website. I used to be very sure this was all entirely incorrect, but being home for the summer has started to fill me with doubt. My parents seem very happy and have many kind, new friends.  It appears many evangelical Christians are converting to messianic Judaism. I also do see glimmers of truth and hear some fair critiques of mainstream Christianity (some even I have thought). I’m sorry this is a bit lengthy, but I hope that maybe you could share some wisdom on the matter. Thank you very much for your time.


Cody Hall

Dear Cody,

Thanks for your email.  I have a number of friends who are messianic Jews so I’m quite familiar with the movement.  However, I’ve never heard of a group that looks down so judgmentally on others calling them hypocritical, incorrect, error-filled, lawless, etc, for not agreeing with their interpretation.  I’d be wary of any group that thinks itself so “right” and everyone else so “wrong.”  God resists the proud but he gives grace to the humble. However we hold faith in the Lord Jesus, we should do so humbly.

The fact that your parents and others are happy in this movement and have good friends in itself is not a measure of its truthfulness.   Nor does it guarantee that they are faithfully representing what other Christians believe.Jews%20for%20Jesus%20color

I’d be glad to discuss these issues with you in some length in person, but let me give a basic response to a few of the things you mention. 

1.  This group claims Christians are “hypocritical” because they keep the ten commandments while rejecting other aspects of the Mosaic law.  I would suggest humbly that most Jesus-followers and even orthodox Jews practice Mosaic law selectively. Do women in this group follow all the laws of menstruation?  Do they put to death children who insult their parents as the law requires?  Do they not wear blended clothing (cotton and polyester, for example)?  Do they forgive all debts in the year of jubilee?

There are principled reasons why Christians read Genesis through Deuteronomy the way they do.  People of good faith try to understand what God was doing, saying at the time.  They take seriously that God made a covenant with the ancestors of Abraham on his way to redeem the world and that the stipulations and laws of that covenant deal specifically with the children of Israel.

Christians take seriously the new covenant established by Jesus with his church.  You are probably aware of the Sons of Noah, and the seven laws of Noah.  The seven laws of Noah are for righteous Gentiles.  There was no expectation that non-Jews had to follow all 613 commands; seven were sufficient.  Again, I suggest humbly that most messianic Jews, Christians and orthodox Jews practice God’s law selectively.

2.  There is no evidence that the NT was written originally in Aramaic.  I’ve heard this, of course, many times but there is no evidence for it.  All the earliest documents and quotations we have from NT books are in Greek.

That said, I have full confidence that the Greek translations we have of Jesus’ Aramaic-speeches are faithful and true to what Jesus said.  God is able to inspire, protect and preserve his Word in whatever languages he chooses.  I study and use the original languages (Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic) but do believe that God can speak to people in other languages too.   Now I do think that Jesus’ native tongue was Aramaic but there is good reason to think historically that he could also speak Greek since he lived in a bilingual area (people who speak Spanish at home often speak English at work or in the market).  Since Americans can often only speak a single language, we don’t realize how people raised in a different environment can speak multiple languages. But they did.

3.  I would differ—as would the majority of scholars and serious interpreters—on some of the interpretive issues mentioned in your email. 

Regarding Acts 15. The purpose of Acts is to show the progress of the Jesus movement from Jerusalem to Rome and from people group to people group (Acts 1:8) (Hebraist Jews to Hellenistic Jews to Samaritans to godfearers to Gentiles).  An important moment comes when trying to figure out what Gentiles must do in order to enter the movement and thus enter into Christ.  Did they have to live like Jews (technical term is judaize) or could they come as Gentiles.  I take Acts 15 as Hebraist Jews deciding to allow Gentiles to enter the community and thus into Christ/baptism/table fellowship without full adherence to the law (circumcision, kosher diet, Sabbath and festival observance).  The four things asked by James in Acts 15 are in tune with the 7 laws of Noah, perhaps a version thereof.  The reason given is because in all the cities where they will be going there are synagogues and Jewish communities.  This is the language of accommodation.  In order to keep from offending Torah-observant Jews please refrain from sexual immorality, idol worship, eating things killed via strangulation, etc. Perhaps the key is James’ quotation of Amos in 15:16ff.  The dynasty of David is to be reestablished (Jesus), Israel is to be restored and the exile ended, and the full inclusion of “the nations” is what God has in mind.  Ultimately the church is a countercultural movement of Jews and Gentiles united in Jesus.  So what unites them is Christ not necessarily uniform practices.   This certainly complicated.  There are many good commentaries on Acts which may help.

4.  The Jewish festivals go back to the biblical period but the ways in which they are practiced today by Jews and Messianic Christians do not go back to the biblical period.  Most of what is said, done, for example, at a Passover seder is post-biblical, developed in the rabbinic period after Christianity and Judaism had gone their separate ways. 

I applaud Jesus-followers who attempt to understand his Jewishness and prefer to worship in messianic congregations. I am concerned, however, to think that they would think so highly of themselves and so badly of others who disagree with them.  I concur with you there are glimmers of truth and we, as Jesus-followers, need to be self-critical and always reforming our faith to conform to the image and likeness of Christ.  There are other messianic congregations that would have a more generous view of more mainstream Christianity.

I hope this helps.  I’d be glad to visit with you on this and other matters if you’d like.  Let me know.



 How would you answer some of these objections?